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PET News 5.31.2013

By Larry Becker  ·  May 31st, 2013

This week Larry gives Photoshop Elements users a little insight about the big Adobe Creative Cloud announcements and what it means to Elements users, and he gives us a sneak peek at the upcoming photographers’ contest prize. Download Video


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22 Replies to PET News 5.31.2013:

  1. Craig

    May 31, 2013 at 11:33 am

    You’re right. I’ve always thought that some day I’d spring for the Big Boy version. There are a few features in CS6 I’d really like to have, like focus stacking for example. But as a photo enthusiast, I know the creative cloud will never be part of my system. Elements has given us some good stuff on occasion, like the quick selection tool, content aware, layer masks, and then in version 11 we got the full-blown version of refine edge. I started out with version 5 and I’ve always been happy, but skipped a couple of versions because the upgrades weren’t big enough to write home about. I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that a lot photographers will be using the Lightroom for their main editor and then going to Elements for advanced editing. To me that means one thing. It won’t be long before Photoshop Elements will be ushered into the creative cloud. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

  2. Kathy

    May 31, 2013 at 11:35 am

    I have refused the cloud/Revel function. Now on Photoshop Elements I cannot use the Facebook function to download pictures of my grandkids(of course I am a hobbyist). I cannot go to my hard drive and send them. They are now .bmp files. When I try I get the following message:

    Photoshop® & Adobe® Premiere® Elements Uploader would like to access your public profile, friend list, email address and photos.”

    Why are they trying to force me to give up friends emails and my info! That is a stooping to “dirty rotten skunk” level. I will not throw friends and family under the bus. AND it is none of Adobe’s business who my friends and family are!

  3. Jim

    May 31, 2013 at 11:46 am

    Thanks for your “insights” Larry, but I’m not sure I can trust Adobe to be at all concerned about even maintaining Elements, much less allowing it to exist outside the cloud. While I don’t see any point in them making it a part of the ‘cloud suite’, after all most would simply use PS, since they are already doing so, but if Adobe sees a uptick in sales of PSE, I can hear their bemoaning the fact that they left the loophole open.

    Call me paranoid or cynical, if you want, but as they say, “Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean I don’t have enemies!” I don’t see Adobe as a ‘friend’ any more. As with the majority of corporations, we are no longer ‘customers,’ we are simply monetized product users.

    I certainly hope you are correct, because I really appreciate your outstanding tutorials. And the many others available here at PET! Thanks! Keep up the great work as long as possible! :clap: :-)

    • Jennifer

      June 1, 2013 at 2:02 pm

      Yes, I agree with you Robert, Adobe cannot be trusted.

      Adobe are NOT my friend; bought a CS6 upgrade, and only discovered I had bought the Mac version in error when it would not run ….. duh! Can’t get Amazon refund because it was opened, had a case with “Support” open for three weeks, still no nearer resolving it – worse still, these customer support staff are based in a country where English is not their first language. Result; stupid replies which do not answer any of my questions – such a shame I sprung for the Windows version before getting the issue resolved.

      One thing is certain, if they do not sort it out, that is the end of the road for me with CS, they know what they can do with the Creative Cloud. I’m a photographer so don’t need anything else, so maybe it will be LR5, PSE 11 and standalone editing suites.

      Rant over lol!


      • Jennifer

        June 1, 2013 at 2:03 pm

        Ooops! Sorry Jim, I changed your name – I’m new in here :(

  4. Robert

    May 31, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    I have LM3, PSE 11, and will keep up with new PSE iterations until Adobe, in total greed, puts PSE in a cloud thingy. Then I will no longer be able to upgrade. I hope such does not hurt PSElementsusers members. Robert Meute

  5. John

    May 31, 2013 at 3:19 pm

    Hear, hear Robert. Why mess with a good thing -”If it isn’t broke don’t fix it”.

  6. Gloria

    May 31, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    Going to look elsewhere for photo software…just purchased Elements 11 upgrade from 9 and subscribed to magazine. However will not be renewing….I see the Cloud raining on my Photoshop Elements. I love Elements but recent changes are telling me that the future will be costly and not for me!!!

  7. Sybille

    May 31, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    I have been upset with Adobe for quite a while now, mainly because of their multi tier pricing – I was going to upgrade from PSE10 to PSE11, but have to pay around US$140 for the “privilege” so I did not upgrade. I had been considering Lightroom for a while, but will not buy this either, because it would cost me not the $99 quoted by Larry, but around US$180, and that’s for the downloadable version, no freight cost involved, and no, it has nothing to do with the exchange rate either. I feel that this creative cloud thing is really “the straw which breaks the camel’s back”.It’s obviously meant to make “trillions” of $$$ for Adobe, very creative indeed.

    I just watched the video and really like that tripod. But will it only be delivered to contest winners in the USA or to winners in an other country as well? Or will “foreign” contest participants simply not win the contest to avoid this issue?

  8. Bruce

    May 31, 2013 at 7:41 pm

    Thank you for these insights, Larry, but although it was titled Photo Shop Element News there wasn’t much that was definite about that product!
    Like some other users, I planned to only upgrade PSE every second year, as the changes are not large between editions. I am also annoyed at the huge price difference between USA and here in Australia, especially if I download the software! Our dollars are near parity, so why not the prices?
    Is there anyone who has done a feature comparison between Lightroom and PSE? As I’m more into “improving” my images, rather than being creative, maybe Lightroom would be a better product for me?
    We know that Microsoft has gone “cloud” with the latest Office software, and no doubt other companies, like Adobe, have decided to follow, but users will only stay with that option while the cost is not higher than their current program. If it gets too expensive then maybe free software like Picasa and GIMP will add features and develop a low cost full version. We live in interesting times!!

  9. Barbara

    May 31, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    Maybe I’m old fashioned, but I really don’t like the cloud thing for anything. I don’t want my “business” out there for anyone to hack into. I’m mostly a private person and no one can really assure me that what ever I put on a “cloud” can’t be seen by others. I really, REALLY hope Adobe leave PSE as it is…a downloadable product. If PSE goes the way of Photoshop, I will find another software to use and leave Adobe entirely.

    • Jennifer

      June 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm

      I’m with you Barbara, might hang on to LR unless it transfers to the cloud. I have the magnificent OnOne Perfect Suite which I can use from LR or standalone. Serif PhotoPlus is quite useful, so I CAN manage without Adobe.

  10. marilyn

    June 1, 2013 at 8:01 am

    My head & wallet will never be “in the clouds” when it comes to subscribing to software. If PSE goes to the cloud, I will find another product to use, assuming I outgrow PSE 11. I hate the never ending payment plan and have a hard time believing this benefits anyone other than Adobe. I certainly hope Adobe will leave PSE as it is….it’s really such a low cost software, I doubt Adobe will mess with it….I hope, I hope.

  11. John

    June 1, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    I hope that “the powers that be” are taking note of all the negative blogs surrounding this cloud thing. It’s obviously hit the proverbial nerve and Adobe should pay great attention to all of us out here !

    • Jennifer

      June 2, 2013 at 3:01 am

      I hope so too John, but I’m not holding my breath! It seems that Adobe are hitting the photographer customers with a big stick. If we only want CS or Elements many will vote with their feet. and stick with the latest version they have and never upgrade.

      For photo editing, and other artistic tweaking, even the free Irfanview combined with Topaz PhotoFX Labs to run all their plugins works out very well. Topaz plugins are cheaper than many others to buy, FREE lifetime upgrades, and you can add the ones you will use gradually after trialling first. All will run from the PhotoFX Labs interface standalone or from Elements, Serif PhotoPlus, Photoshop etc. What’s not to like?

      • Craig

        June 2, 2013 at 6:36 pm

        Topaz products are great. I have 11 of their plug-ins including FX lab, which doesn’t come anywhere close to PSE 11. But I think in light of what’s happening now, they’ll be making a lot of modifications and additions to that program. So far the FX lab’s biggest drawback as a standalone is the lack of an organizer. They might work on this program from that perspective but I think their best bet would be adding a lot more features to the FX lab editing module, and letting the photographer use Lightroom for the organizer. But then, if Lightroom goes to creative cloud, then we’ll have to go for option C, or D, or wherever we’re at. I also just recently purchased the OnOne Suite 7 for $150, a special promotion that they ran a couple weeks ago, which will include a free upgrade to 7.5 when it comes out. But I have to say that Topaz is by far my favorite plug-in option, with the exception of OnOne’s Resize it 7.5 which is the main reason I bought the suite. I also have Paint Shop Pro X5. Although it has a few more features than PSE, there’s a lot that PSE can do that you can’t do Paint Shop Pro. I’ll bet a lot of companies like Corel are licking their chops at the opportunity that Adobe has just handed them.

      • Jennifer

        June 9, 2013 at 6:07 am

        I am sure you are right about Topaz, I have the whole lot, including Clarity. I like that you CAN use it standalone, but being able to use FXLab in other software is certainly useful. I have a feeling that they will look to bringing out a browser module before too long. Maybe is we keep having a go at Nichole about it then something will happen? It’s one of the things I wishlisted in the OnOne Suite and …. yes, 7.5 has a browser :) I’ve been with OnOne since Suite 4 I think, and again it can now run standalone as well as in host software. $150 was a cracking deal, learn to love it!

        I’m not sure whether to bother with LR 5 upgrade, I have never really got to grips with it – should I make more effort, or abandon it as it will probably end up in the cloud … grrrr!

        The only useful thing about Microsfots’ Cloud is that if I synce my OnNote notebooks I can use them anywhere as required – only use it for that, all other copies are on my machine.

        I fell out with Corel years ago after they turned PSP into bloatware! I used the original JASC product from version 4 – PSP 9 is STILL on my machine, just for old times sake :)

  12. Sharon

    June 2, 2013 at 2:40 pm

    I do not like being forced to use the clouds in Adobe or in Apple. I prefer my privacy and protection from hackers going into a cloud and getting into people’s personal stuff. Both cloud services should have been kept as an option.

  13. Alan

    June 7, 2013 at 8:41 am

    I, too, am anxious about the future of Elements. Contacts I have [in UK] suggest that there is a lot of pirate/illicit use of Photoshop [because of the very high price for amateurs, as compared with the budget of professional users]. My suspicion is that Adobe is using the cloud approach to defeat the pirated use. Before I used Elements I had Paintshop Pro and only abandoned it when Coral bought it up. So if Elements is hidden in the cloud, PSP could well be the answer again. Or will Adobe sell off CS6 for next to nothing? Not much chance, I suspect.

    • Jennifer

      June 9, 2013 at 6:16 am

      I too am in the UK, and I agree about the piracy thing. I do have a tale of woe about CS6 upgrade. In error I bought the Mac version, did not notice until it would not install! Amazon would not take it back as it was opened, and I bought the correct copy from them later so I was pretty annoyed about it. It is now FOUR weeks since I opened a case with Adobe. Too long a story to tell here, but I have reached the stage where they gave me a new serial for the Mac and registered it to my account. They insist I have to request transfer of licence to ‘the purchaser’ … how can I do that when I dare not list it on eBay until I can be sure the buyer will not have to suffer the same c**p as I have over the last month! I have copied the case into a PDF file (yes, I have Acrobat Pro XI, what do Adobe care!) and sent it off to the UK Office, more in hope than expectation that they will resolve it!

      Of course, the support is based in an Asian country, where English is not the first language of most staff … sigh. Most of the message consisted of preset sentences, not one point was answered and conflicting information given frequently. That’s my Sunday rant over, can you see why I HATE Adobe right now?

      Anyone want a CS6 upgrade for Mac if I can get this sorted out … UK only of course lol!

  14. Connie

    June 18, 2013 at 6:58 pm

    I am a hobbyist and a beginner and have PSE 11 upgrading from the previous version. I probably won’t go further and definitely no clouds for me unless it is for cooling rain. My husband is an inDesign user and is frustrated with the switch to the cloud. One question no one has answered is what if the internet service is disrupted? No cloud, no software access and no work done. Where are the documents and projects created with these programs going to be stored on the creators computer or in the cloud and then who owns the work Adobe or the customer?

  15. Kathy

    June 19, 2013 at 6:24 am

    I too have upgraded to PSE 11 and will stop there also if they keep pushing the “Cloud”. I have a question I wish someone could explain to me what is going on. I am not sure I am understanding what adobe is doing. I thought I will just not post anything to Facebook if Adobe doing what I think they are doing. I get the following note when I try to post something to Facebook and I thought this is just an Adobe thing, but recently I have had other companies using the same comment:
    “Photoshop® & Adobe® Premiere® Elements Uploader would like to access your public profile, friend list, email address and photos.”
    Of course they didn’t use adobe but they wanted to access the above info. To me, I am reading that as they want to get their hands on all my friends email, phone numbers and addresses(I assumed to sell them down the road). Since other companies are using similar statements, I am starting to doubt my thinking. Is it my suspicious mind talking or is there a legit reason for this? Or could I be missing or reading something into it?

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